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I want you to know I was really nervous. So, yeah, I was sweating over there.

Truly an honor to be here.

And speaking in the church office building, it’s so much better to be on this side of that wall over there. If you’re going to speak, or at the conference center, it’s better to be on this side of the wall.

I, I want you to think right now in your heart.

You don’t have to close your eyes, but I want you to think the following. I want you to think

Tom is my friend. I want you to think that. Please. Okay. So now, since you're all my friends, I'm no longer nervous. Okay?

I am pretty nervous to be up here. It's a pleasure to be around good people.

It's a pleasure to run into people that the Lord knows you can minister with. So, for example, like, who would have known? I did not know that my best friend growing up was just called to be the newest member of the Military Relations Committee. Like what they were—What were they thinking, right?

So I want you to know that as I think about Jason Scott, Douglas Perry, who was up here introducing.

As a small kid growing up, at age 12, he was the national karate champion.

Not, not neighborhood, but national. And a skinny guy like me, I needed a friend like that, right?

So, but to see him grow up and to see your friends grow up into the type of people that they are now, the Lord has you here for a reason.

If you're sitting here today, the Lord has a mission for you.

You just don't happen to be here.

Many years ago, when Jason and I were those young kids going to church—

It’s very small unit of the church up in the mountains of North Carolina—

we had an interesting Sunday. It was our responsibility to prepare the sacrament as teachers. And as the teachers that we were and as your teachers are today, we went in and noticed, as we were preparing the sacrament, that we had no sacrament cups. We were out of sacrament cups. We had a few, but not enough to do the congregation. And this was not Utah.

This was in the mountains of North Carolina.

And so there was no way to run to another unit somewhere and find sacrament cups. And so we had what was perhaps one of my few experiences with another church growing up, and that was the—our leader looked at us and said, Well, go to that church over there and get sacrament cups. And so we did. We we went over to the church very shyly. We knocked on the door and said, Well, we need sacrament cups. Well, they don't know what sacrament is, right? They have communion. We figured it all out, you know, we figured it out. And they sent us back with these round silver trays with crystal goblets.

It was an interdenominational experience for the people in our ward that day.

Probably hasn't happened many times in the church where the silver,

where the goblets have gone around for the sacrament. But truly, I don't think I learned how to really minister in a pluralistic setting until later in life. It just wasn't a Sunday school lesson.

It wasn't something that we learned in church.

I had a few experiences, but that's what they've asked me to to talk on today: how to minister, how to be united in a pluralistic setting.

It’s a challenge, but also what an incredible opportunity. What a privilege. I had an experience—

because sometimes there’s, there’s misconceptions.

We all have misconceptions. Other people have misconceptions about us.

And quite frankly, we probably have misconceptions about other people.

I remember flying to general conference probably a dozen years ago, and on the airplane with me, I noticed that there was a church group flying to general conference with me. I was—I mean, they had t-shirts made. They were a church group. They were flying. And what was interesting is, I was sitting there and I was reading the Bible.

And as I looked across the aisle, they were reading the Book of Mormon.

So—but I don’t think they were reading to learn the truth. Okay?

So—and we struck up a conversation.

They didn’t know I was a member of the Church. They knew I was a chaplain. And I bore my testimony

of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,

and of what He meant to me. And I was sitting there reading the Bible. And then, then it came up in conversation that I was a member of the Church. The Church that they were going to go demonstrate at for the upcoming general conference, or whatever they were going to do here at general conference. And

we had a very fruitful discussion.

They asked me, well—I think they were confused. I had just borne my testimony of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I don’t know what they had been taught or told—but then they asked me, no, no. Well, what, what makes you really different? What makes your church members really different from what we believe? And I, I—not contentious, tt was a good fruitful discussion— And I explained

that as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that we believed

that you must be saved by believing in Jesus Christ, but that we believe that a person must be a disciple of Jesus Christ for all their life.

They had to continue to follow Jesus Christ

all their life. They had to be really, truly committed to Jesus Christ.

And, and then the airplane ride ended. And as they got up and got off the plane,

I never knew what happened to them. But I think we had a change of thought.

I think we had a change of experience.

And I think we realized that we might have more in common

than what we thought.

Well, I had a similar experience with my misconceptions as a new chaplain. As a new chaplain, they did not have room for chaplains to go to the chaplain school,

so they just sent me to a unit. No training, whatever. They just sent me to a unit. And there I was as a chaplain. And as a new chaplain in this, in this unit, I was assigned to the Barnes Avenue Friendship Chapel.

And there in my service, I began to learn how to be a chaplain. And one of the things was to learn how to do an offering. You know, pass around the plate. You know, they don't have tithing slips. So we pass around the plate.

And then they would sing this song. And they sang this song, and, and we’d, you know, we’d pass up the plate, and sing a song. And then I thought, man, I’m not sure about this song.

You know, they're talking. It’s like a Godhead trinity, or whatever song they’re talking about, the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost. And that just sounds like—it sounds too Protestant for me.

I don't know if I can sing that song.

Probably two weeks later, I was going through the Church’s hymn book. Hymn number 242 in the Church hymn book is the exact same song that all congregations sing when they take up the offering. And I was, I was humbled to realize that perhaps I might have some misconceptions myself. So unity and pluralism are interesting concepts.

When we talk about unity and pluralism, it’s what makes the chaplaincy work.

Unity and pluralism hang in tension and in balance.

The word unity suggests that we come together in a common cause. In the chaplaincy, we have a limited number of ministers

who are meeting the needs of vast multitudes.

It’s impossible to have everybody as a chaplain. You can only have a limited number.

However, in creating chaplaincy, we don't want to create a new religion.

The word pluralism suggests that while we come together to maintain some type

of unity, we also maintain distinctive features.

So rather than being a melting pot, it's more of a salad bowl.

Well, how do you do this? And how do you do it well?

To make both unity and pluralism work, it requires a unique level of spiritual maturity, humility, and love.

Well, I'm not a great speaker,

so I want to give you the—what I’m going to say up front. I'll tell you what the bottom line is. I'm going to give you three recommendations

and then I'm going to give you those three recommendations. And then I'm going to tell you that I gave you these three recommendations. Okay. So here are the three recommendations. This is my whole talk. You can write it down and continue to eat strawberry pie, okay? You can eat your neighbors’, if they didn’t eat it, too. Here are the three recommendations.

One: Cherish your fellow ministers.

Number two: Know your flock.

And number three: Do inspired ministry.

Now let’s tell some stories, okay? Cherish.

When I chose the word cherish, it was very specific.

As a new chaplain, I came in and was not a—I wasn’t a trained marriage counselor, but I had a fair amount of marriage counseling to do immediately. And on the shelf, I found some VHS tapes,

a series of marriage counseling tapes by Gary Smalley called Hidden Keys to Loving Relationships. And they were—I’m, I’m really old, okay. So the VHS tapes, I watched them. Some amazing

teaching and honoring and actually being in awe of other people. And the way he started out a seminar is, he would bring out a violin case and he would open up this violin case and pull out one tattered violin.

Now, it wasn't the violin case, you know, where he brings it out, and he tunes it, and it sounds wonderful. This, this violin was shredded, so there was no way to play this violin. It was, you know, the frets were hanging down, whatever, you know. And he’d hold it up and it would be, you know— nobody in the audience was impressed with this violin at all.

Until he stopped, and he looked in that that little—I don’t know what violins have, I’m not musically talented— but he would look somehow in that violin and read what it said on the inside. And here's what it said. It said 1722

Stradivarius. Yeah. So this $25 violin went way up in everybody’s value, right? And he would actually pass it around and people could touch and they were in

they were in awe. This isn't just a violin. This is a Stradivarius.

I want you to know that the ministers that you minister with?

You should be in awe. They aren't just ministers.

They're servants of the Lord Jesus Christ.

And in my ministry, I have been in awe.

But this isn't what you learned necessarily in Sunday school, right?

You really learn it through experience.

And for me, really becoming in awe of somebody else, of some other religion?

Unfortunately, it wasn’t until I got to BYU, really.

I had a professor at BYU who assigned us to read a book.

The book that our professor assigned us to read was

“The Hiding Place” by Corrie ten Boom.

And it was a spiritual experience. I was shocked.

How could somebody else of a different religion have such a miraculous and phenomenal relationship

with Jesus Christ? And it was eye-opening. It was jaw-dropping.

And then I learned about others. I learned about Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

Wow. I was in awe. And then, as a chaplain, I began to experience other chaplains.

And one of my chaplains, a Catholic priest,

who might have had a few tattoos, okay. Rode a Harley.

But when I found out about him, he was a minister from the Vatican.

He had served in the Vatican as a personal minister to Mother Teresa when she visited the Vatican.

His educational level made mine looked like I had only been to kindergarten.

And I witnessed this Catholic priest

take his brigade commander— He had a wayward brigade commander who needed some correction and instruction;

the

brigade sergeant major had tried to reform his brigade— but he had the courage to take his raider aside,

and to help his raider realize where he needed to be on the right path

and try to save his brigade commander's career.

Very in awe of this brigade chaplain who now serves as the chaplain for the White House.

And then so many other stories

of being in awe of those that I work around. Currently. Like, like, we play up Latter-day Saints, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for having big families, right.

My deputy right now, who is an Anglican minister,

has 14 children at home under the age of 16.

He is the type of father that I want to be.

He is such a good dad, and I am in awe.

I hope you have those types of experiences when you look around.

As you experience other ministers that you minister with,

I hope you take a step back and are in awe.

And realize that you have the opportunity to minister among some of the great people of the Earth that the Lord has sent to do an incredible work that might change your experience in the ministry.

Opposition.

So in saying all of this, that does not mean that every experience you have is going to be wonderful. Okay. Certainly for anybody who’s involved in the chaplaincy,

you'll run into some opposition. As a matter of fact, if you don't run into any opposition at some point in your career, you may ask yourself, are you really a servant of Jesus Christ?

Okay. If you are a servant of Jesus Christ, that's going to happen.

For the vast majority of my career, I have been treated extraordinarily well by those that I minister amongst. But a little persecution every once in a while is good for the soul.

However, when I face such persecution or—we call it persecution. However, I think that our pioneer, pioneer ancestors,

they might chuckle a little bit. Okay.

When, when, when they find out that you weren’t called to be the guest speaker at the Thanksgiving service, they might chuckle. Okay. They might say, that’s not really persecution. However, it can be easy every once in a while to get our feathers ruffled.

Perhaps you and I have been too easy at times to be quickly offended,

but that rarely leads to productive outcomes.

It’s inevitable at some point in your career, you’ll be misunderstood, underappreciated, maybe even maligned because of your beliefs. And you'll have a choice to make.

You can choose to be offended,

or you can choose to be like the Prophet Joseph Smith,

who said the following. He said— Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, page 228, for anybody who has to [unclear] anything—

Don’t be limited in your views in regards to your neighbor’s virtue,

but beware of self-righteousness, and be limited in the estimate of your own virtues.

Do not think yourselves more righteous than others.

Well, I would, I would tell you that a little bit of humility, sometimes a little bit of humor, can be helpful when you face persecution.

Glenn L. Pace, in his 1989 talk,

took a little humor in being a member of the Church. He said the following. He said, imagine seeing, for the first time, nine children and two beleaguered parents in a beat-up station wagon with a bumper sticker reading “Families are Forever”.

The puzzled nonmember doesn’t know if this is a boast or a complaint.

Be humble. Be meek. Seek to serve rather than to be served. Quite frankly, again, a little persecution is good for the soul. However, if you find that the persecution is not a little, but seems to be a lot, I encourage you to reach out with some people that might have a little more perspective for advisement.

Our Military Relations Committee gets paid

the big bucks to deal with those types of situations. So if you find yourself into that type of situation, don't hesitate to find a senior chaplain, run your situation through them, or call the Military Relations Committee, and they will help you out.

Well, point number two. Know your flock.

When I was a—at the MTC. I didn’t remember, I didn't memorize anything in the MTC. I don't know. People were good memorizers. I was not.

I memorized one thing in the MTC, and it’s just because it was the sign above our door. The sign above our door in the MTC said the following. It said, they don’t care about how much you know until they know how much you care.

I want you to know that you are not somebody's chaplain

unless you know their name.

You might think you’re their chaplain. You might be assigned as their chaplain.

But you’re not really somebody’s chaplain until you know their name.

Now, there are General Authorities that are legendary in this realm.

Some with photographic memories. Some know perhaps thousands, tens of thousands of names.

I want you to know that I am the exact opposite.

Memorizing names is not a gift of mine.

Rather than having a photographic memory,

mine is more like an Etch-A-Sketch.

You know, there’s somebody out there that has that little white lever. One minute, that name’s there, and the next, it’s gone.

Perhaps my advanced age, but I have to put in some serious effort in order to remember names.

Well, I would ask you, what would you do to remember people's names?

You know, my wife isn’t here. She’s in this other, other thing right now. So I can tell you that in our marriage, we have a competition.

Whenever we move to a new ward, we pen—we—

We print out a ward roster, and we actually take it to church with us. And, and I hide mine from hers maybe a little bit.

But we do have a competition to see who can learn everybody in the ward fastest.

And it's all good until members of the ward know what's going on. Okay. It may have occurred at one or two times where, I have gone up to a family and they have given me a false name

because they've heard about this competition. But it’s been an effective way to— I have to keep lists. I have to work on it. When—In, in my unit, right now,

I have a list of my soldiers. When I meet a soldier, and they tell me their story, I have to write it down, or I’ll forget it.

I would ask you, do you know the names of those that you minister around? Right now, I have an officer that I work with who does not like me,

and that's pretty easy. Okay. There's no big deal. He doesn't like me.

I do everything I can to remember his name. And every time I say him, see him,

I greet him as friendly as I possibly can by his name.

It does something to know somebody's name. It's powerful.

And somebody may have spoken about that yesterday in general conference. Right.

There was a talk on that yesterday in general conference.

Well, Moroni has the following to say. Moroni, chapter six, verse four:

And their names were taken that they might be remembered and nourished by the good word of God. You must take their names. Remember them.

Pray for them. And then you're their chaplain.

Number three.

Well, I'm not going on to number three yet.

Willard and Rebecca Bean are my heroes.

If you don’t know the Willard and Rebecca Bean story,

the Church does a podcast called Legacy.

It’s Legacy podcast number three that you can go to, to get the behind-the-scenes story of Willard and Rebecca Bean.

They were the chaplains of their era.

They were called to go serve in what was perhaps the most anti-Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints location in the world in 1915. And that was Palmyra, New York. There had not been a member of the Church to live there in 80 years.

And so the First Presidency looked at them and called them and said, Hey, go try this out. See what happens. Okay. And they did. And?

They were rejected immediately

by those around them, asked to leave the community, and were truly persecuted. Like persecutions that you won’t experience. But they chose a different path.

They chose to stick it out. They chose to love and befriend those around them in special ways.

Sometimes you just, you just have to give the time—Lord time to make things work.

If you've got a bad situation, do what you can to make it better. And that's what they did.

They were—they had a daughter who was born shortly after they arrived to Palmyra. And Palmyra was not the beloved Palmyra it is today.

Palmyra stood for persecution, being driven out. What did they do?

They named their first daughter Palmyra.

The other people in the town, they’re, like, thinking, well, we’ve never named any of our kids Palmyra, you know?

And then they did other things, you know. Get persecuted?

Bake somebody a pie, right?

Learn people’s names. Go over to people’s houses. They didn’t have a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints congregation to do—to go to. So what did they do?

They went to the churches in the community.

Willard Bean was a phenomenal— So you know him, if you know his story, you know him as an incredible boxer. Okay? He was not just an incredible boxer. He was the best. Okay. He was like a national champion boxer.

But what you don’t know about Willard Bean is he was a scriptorian. Like, the brethren considered him a phenomenal scriptorian,

and he would quietly sit in the back of Sunday School classes for the other denominations. And finally, people would ask him what he thought about a verse.

Brother Bean, what do you think about this verse in the scriptures? And, wow, they found out that members of the Church truly believe in Jesus Christ. They believe in the Bible. They did it over time. They were so effective in their ministry that they were called to?

By the way, they had 25 years to do it. Okay. Their short mission? They just kept on getting extended. Okay. They were there forever. They were there for a career.

When they left the community,

the community gathered around. And threw them a farewell.

And said the following. Your church does not know what they're doing

because they're taking you away from us.

They were so loved by that time and so integrated into their ministry.

They actually wrote something for them.

And they were effective and truly missed.

Well, I would ask you, when you leave,

are people going to miss you and your chaplaincy? Do you know people?

Have you affected their lives?

Are you willing to wade through hard times? When Willard Bean first went to walk up the Hill Cumorah?

Him and his wife just wanted to walk to the top.

The farmer ran out there with a shotgun,

and informed them that there was no way in the world, I can’t probably use the language that he used, but there was no way in the world he was going to let them walk to the top.

It took years.

But then they were friends.

As a matter of fact, that might have been—I don’t know if it was that farmer, or the next farmer over, that Willard Bean named his next child after.

That’s what they did. I love the Beans.

Third point: Do inspired muddy-boots ministry.

Do inspired ministry.

The purpose of unity and pluralism is to enable ministry.

Unity doesn’t mean that you have to be—

You don’t have to give up being a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The chaplaincy is founded on pluralism.

Pluralism means a diversity of views united around a common cause.

Currently, I serve as the court chaplain for the 18th Airborne Corps.

We have all of the war-fighting divisions on the eastern part of the United States. I have almost 400 chaplains and religious affairs specialists that work

in our core. I, as the core chaplain, want my Baptists to be Baptists.

I want my Catholics to be good priests. I want my Jewish chaplains to be rabbis.

I do not need my rabbis to be Baptists. I don’t need my Baptists to be Catholic.

Fundamental to non-establishment constitutional law is that we don’t become so general that we are establishing a new religion.

So I would ask you, as chaplains, as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,

what do you bring to the table?

One of the things you must bring to the table is inspired ministry.

So how do you bring inspired ministry to the table? Well, I want you—

I want to say it’s not happenstance that this training happens at general conference. Do not hesitate to look at general conference for ideas and inspiration. This is staged every year around general conference so that you can be inspired and filled by the Spirit of the Lord.

When you leave general conference, you ought to have a list that says, This is now what I'm going to do in my ministry. This is how I'm going to change. This is how I've done this. This is how this has affected me.

Again, as a new chaplain, I really had no idea what I was doing. Okay? I was, I was lost in the sauce out there. So I didn’t know what I was doing, but I knew that I needed help.

For example, when couples would come into my office for marriage counseling,

I knew that I needed to go somewhere to get some inspiration. And so where I went was the Proclamation on the Family.

When you look at the Proclamation on the Family,

there is a very unique sentence in there that says the following.

It says, Successful marriages and families are established and maintained on principles of faith, prayer, repentance, forgiveness,

respect, love, compassion, work, and wholesome recreational activities.

Again, I don't have a photographic memory, but what I did have is I had a piece of glass on my desk.

I wrote those on a list and I put them right under the glass. That's what I did. When couples would come in, and counsel with me, and I needed to seek inspiration? That’s where I went.

That's the list I went to.

That's where I understood people needed to be to have successful families and marriage relationships.

A number of years ago, we had quite a number of talks at general conference and here at this conference on pornography.

I was the 82nd Airborne chaplain for the 3rd Brigade in the mountains of Afghanistan and on the plains of Iraq at the time.

My soldiers had wall-to-wall pornography. Did they not? They did. For those of you who are chaplains out on battlefields, you know what it's like, right?

It was a humbling but awesome experience for me to

have a sermon with my soldiers on pornography.

What an incredible sermon. I remember giving that sermon to my soldiers. And you know what? You wouldn't believe it, but soldiers eat that up.

They don't hear that anywhere else. Nobody else teaches that.

I'm telling you, even other churches don't teach that.

So, as a matter of fact, I remember seeing a soldier in South Korea

came by the, the religious support office in South Korea, walked in,

had something to do there. I don't think he was there to see chaplains or whatever.

He saw a pamphlet on the Law of Chastity, and he grabbed it up.

And he was like, man, this is awesome.

Literally, I was shocked that he took it right there. But he took it,

and, he was like, hey, I really need this. This is something I need.

This is for me. And well, what do you have to offer from this general conference?

What are the General Authorities, what are the Prophets say this general conference that you could use in your ministry? I expect my chaplains to do that.

If I had a priest who was just at the Vatican and the Pope spoke to that priest? I hope that priest would bring that back to us, right?

I would hope that would happen.

Well, I want you to know you have so many sources of inspiration.

I hope that you are involving that in your ministry.

Now, let’s talk a little bit about muddy-boots ministry. Okay.

A lot of you don't wear boots. Good for you.

I want you to know I hate these boots.

So these are the most uncomfortable boots in the history of boots. Okay.

I just got them recently. There's all kinds of sores, all those types of things.

But to have muddy-boots ministry means you are where the people are.

Okay, Now, Nike is making billions of dollars off of their slogan. Okay? Their slogan is what? “Do it,” right?

A decade—actually, I think it was 12 years before Nike came up with that slogan, somebody in there was watching general conference or whatever. Okay, so where did that slogan really come from? It came from Spencer W. Kimball, right? Who said, Do it? And then he said, Do it now!

The President of the Church. Could you take that for a slogan? What could you take for a slogan?

When I became a 1st Armored Division chaplain many years ago,

I went before all my division chaplains. I had a talk with them.

And I had a deputy. His name was Mark Nakazano [spelling?]. He's a head chaplain in Alaska right now. But after I talked with all my chaplains,

I was in my office, and he came in, and he didn’t use these exact words, but he said, well, that’s the most uninspired talk I’ve ever heard.

That's literally what he told me.

I love Mark Nakazano to this day because he had the guts to stand up and say that was garbage.

So I had to look at myself and say, well, was I really speaking for myself? Or did I have any message from the Lord for my division?

So I look back at the life of, at the time, Thomas S. Monson.

And what was he doing?

What message would I have from that perspective for my troops?

I want you to know that the 1st Armored Division from that time on was going to the rescue. Okay, that was it. We were there for the rescue. We were there for the ministry to the one. We were going to go find those in need. Was that something that other ministers believe in? Absolutely.

Was that a message for our time? It was. That might be inspired ministry. Well, muddy-boots ministry.

When I first came into the Chaplain Corps, I didn’t have training from the Chaplain Corps, but I did from the Church. I came here to the Church office building, and then a chaplain here by the name of Claude Newby. And Chaplain Claude Newby,

as a chaplain from Vietnam,

told me the following things. He said,

What is the most pressing need?

Just go find that and meet it. He also said, be at the right time and place. Where are your soldiers at? Be there.

If there’s an important meeting that you need to be at with your commander? Be there.

Be where you need to be in order to be with your troops.

I want you to know that it's so easy to do the opposite, right? It is. So as a matter of fact, if you ask my children today— So I’ve been in some pretty interesting positions over the last few years— If you asked my children today, well, what does your dad do for a living?

Unfortunately, they might be like, what does my dad do?

My dad does email for a living. Right? That literally might be what my children say. My dad does email for a living. How sad that would be.

But there's some truth in that.

In Doctrine and Covenants, section 61, verse three

is the most, one of the most beautiful scriptures.

A great question to ask ourselves. It says the following. And it’s the brethren, they were returning from a mission. They had to decide whether to get in canoes and go together, down, you know, go together as a group down the river in canoes. But the Lord had the following. He said, He said, But verily, I say unto you that it's not needful for this whole company of mine elders to be moving swiftly upon the waters

while the inhabitants on either side are perishing in unbelief.

When are you moving swiftly on the waters

and the inhabitants thereof are perishing on either side?

Now, I love to listen to audiobooks. I’m a bookaholic, right.

I was on a train recently in Amsterdam and I had a book playing. Nothing was going to interrupt my ability to listen to this book.

And I missed numerous trains in a row due to really odd circumstances. They canceled my first train, my next train. I literally hopped around different towns and cities and trying to get back to Germany. I would walk up to a train, literally. I would walk up to a train and it would leave. Like, they would not open the doors. And I was having a rotten day until it hit me that the Lord had something for me to do. I mean, it was just so odd. It couldn't have been coincidence any longer.

I took the earbuds out of my ears and realized that the Lord needed something.

And stepped on an escalator. At the top of the escalator, immediately, there were two people that needed my help instantly. Nobody needed my help for days.

I had been so swiftly traveling upon the waters that I didn’t take time to really ask, am I doing ministry?

Who’s in need and am I [unclear]?

Well, I want you to know that it’s an honor to be a chaplain for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

I know that we represent Him.

I know that He would want us to cherish those that we minister with.

He would want us to know those that we minister to by name.

And He wants us to do inspired ministry. And those things I say in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Ministering in Times of War

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